The Ghosts In Our Machine

Moral Dilemna?

The social issue informing THE GHOSTS IN OUR MACHINE is that as urban dwellers and consumers we are just so out of touch with where products come from, and what the ingredients are. Why do the vast majority of people love their pets and value wildlife but have little knowledge or regard for the billions of animals used as tools for production – as bits and parts; ingredients for so many consumer products?

We are interested in the stories of these animals [ghosts].
We are also interested in exploring this pervasive moral dilemma.

Excited to be making this epic & timely film ~

– Liz.

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  1. Steve January 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    It has become more of a moral dilemma for me. I was a vegetarian in my late 20’s. I don’t eat a great deal of meat now. The problem is, the moral dilemma from where/how our food is made, or comes from, and the mistreatment of animals, now extends to where/how most of the products we use are made and the mistreatment of human beings. We’ve seen the recent reports about labor conditions for Apple employees in China’s factories. Chinese workers recently gathered on the roof, of their factory, and threatened SUICIDE, if conditions did not improve (imagine that happening here). I own an iPod, ironically, this website, and the pc I am typing this on, also use items that are made under the same conditions. So, my problem, and I have been thinking about this more and, about our food, and the things we use everyday…in this “modern world” and the way it’s become…is it even possible to exist, eat or do anything without feeling this conflict? Unless I grow stuff myself (and more than likely get Monsanto breathing down my throat)…animals aren’t mistreated producing fruits and vegetables, but, more than likely, workers are being exploited or mistreated…not to the same extent. I could do more, I try, at least, to be conscious of my choices and their “ripple effect”. It’s hard in today’s world, to live, and not have it be at the expense or suffering of another human being or animal? I’d try moving to the moon…
    but with my luck, I’d end up being neighbors with Newt Gingrich: – )
    Thanks, I do like what you are doing.

  2. lizmars January 27, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Very good points. I have mostly made human rights documentaries, and yes, there are many (billions) of human ghosts living within the machine of our modern, consumer driven world. What we are aiming to do with The Ghosts In Our Machine is present this social, collective dilemma as a moral issue. So often animals are not considered; are not on the radar. We would like their stories to be seen and heard.
    – Liz

  3. Steve February 1, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    assuming you caught the recent story about Hershey, and the child labor in Africa (picking the cocoa).

  4. Ari February 23, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Rick Bogle is not an ainaml rights activist, he is a psychopath. And I mean that in the most clinically unbiased way possible:According to Bogle, [If we kill researchers] should the murders be secret? sanitary? neat? Maybe not. It makes a certain sort of dark sense that one very sensational murder could have a greater impact than many hidden murders If it?s true that a series of murders might slow the attack on ainamls in the labs, wouldn?t lives be saved if the smallest number of murders possible were employed? What makes Bogle a special case is not the fact that he advocates for the death of research scientists. Any ainaml rights activist can do that. This is not a tirade of an angry libber who might kill in the heat of passion, these are the cold calculated words of a chauvinistic mass murderer. He is fixated on one narrow idea, and perpetually misuses logic to a greater degree as he rationalizes a progressively more radical stance.

  5. Vellane February 23, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Very well put. I digsaree with you on one point. Hypocrisy and disingenuous arguments *do* discredit AR nuts. Part of their argument has to do with actions and beliefs of their imagined majority. It matters not just what people claim as a virtue, but also how they act when tested.